history and alternate endings

I have gotten into an arguement with an Irish type person about their troubles and the true nature of the secterian violence in modern Ireland... One thing I do not care is blindness and the for the Irish need to dress up their religious hatred with matyrdom. The english Conquered Ireland there was no UN, you suffered, you hate them, but it would not have been so bad if they had been Catholic... Believe I heard the last part from A drunk irishman at my sister's wedding. The reason the Irish and the english hate each and do not trust each other is based on religion and not ethnicity....OLiver Cromwell horribly massacred the Irish because they were a people who were majorly Catholic....and a convenient target to vent his prostestant angst at after subduing other protestant sects in england and these other protestants were treated just as harshly as the Irish He was a Fanatic... Elizabeth the 1st went ballistic on Irish ass because the the Pope made it church law that any catholic that did not work to personally destroy her were excommunicated which was boon financially for the church with english catholics setting up funds to send Rome to accomplish this goal...She was described as a sign of the apocalypse something involving harlots, Babylon and tigers, sounds more like a acid trip gone bad than a spiritual experience and dictum to me...

What would have happen to the Irish and the english had the Irish retained power most assuredly the protestant reformation in england would not have occurred Henry the 8th would not have laid the foundation for the english navy with church funds looted from monastaries...If Elizabeth came into being most assuredly and early death or a sudden urge to be a wife to christ would have developed in her young self-perserving heart... If she came into power as a Monarch the Irish having autonomy in This(FAntasy World) Irish persons this is a FAntasy supposition I am writing, I am sorry you are matyrs, life aint good in the barrio either, would have supported Spain, england would have been innudated and the Haspburgh King Phillip of Spain would have control of England and Within a Lfetime would have cowed the Irish with the help of the Pope. Our Elizabeth would have married Phillip or Elizabeth Would have been beheaded and A proper catholic of tudor Queen Mary of Scotland would of Been Queen...I see celtic bigots every where wriggling in ecstacy over that scenario....

Holland would probably barely survive the Catholic onslaught after the Victory in england...It might remain a Protestant country by the skin of its teeth...But any modern wealth that the Scandinavian countries have today will have evaporated by the constant warring with the Hapsburg empire...The flowering of the Dutch economic empire and sciences and arts would have been suppressed creating a world that would be backward in it exploration of asia and the pacific. The growth of the middle-class would have been stunted by a lack of merchant class made wealthy from the Dutch West and East India companies. Linnaues would have been fighting in the trenches as well as Vermeer for opposite sides

But say these people would it be so bad about the Haspburghs. The movie the ILLUSIONIST IS set in the Hapsburgh Empire that covered Austria and a good portion of central and southeast europe and Italy. The Hapsburghs with that much power and clout to control most of nothern europe and all the america the Sopranos would not have liked that...IN the 1800's it was a world of secret police agencies it is a world that in its death throes gave birth to Hilter... I do not think that a Hapsburgh would have allowed an American Revolution I do not believe that Democracy Would have had a chance...I believe that the first revolution would have been Class wars and not the setting up of Democracy but the peasantry looking for power and revenge...We think that this world is bad, reality occurs for a reason, History occurs for reason as long as we kid ourselves and stay in the denial of the true reason for the conflict. The conflict will never be solved if the true reason is not addressed and the people in denial of said reason. They will then ascribe noble reasons for their violence, wars are start by hatred, covetousness and revenge both sides....